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hello everyone welcome to the show I'm

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Martin Wiltshire host and tonight we

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have our guest is Carlo pedrick

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um Carlo Patrick is one of these people

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I've worked with out in Phoenix at the

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UFO Congress uh for many years I helped

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behind the scenes with all the computer

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equipment and everything melts down

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Carlos a guy is very calm and says this

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is what we do and he knows always knows

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how to fix things he had an interest in

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UFOs for a long time but one thing Carlo

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Patrick did not get right is that the

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show is not central time it's EST

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eastern time so he's running about 15

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minutes late I just called him he's in

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traffic and uh uh but anyway he'll be

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joining us shortly so our blog this week

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is a UFO landing at Edwards Air Force

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Base by Charles Lear uh he's putting out

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some great blogs uh check that out over

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at podcast ufo.com

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and anyone can support the show all you

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have to do again go to that website

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podcast ufo.com in our patreon link is

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under support the show and for as little

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as two dollars a month

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or higher if

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you can help us bring these shows to you

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without commercials every week now I

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know there's commercials on Youtube I

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can't stop that I mean that is a whole

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different thing but I'm talking about

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for the audio podcast this uh podcast is

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um well every feed that I could figure

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out how to find I should put it that way

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so you're able to download uh or run the

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podcast on the media player about

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anywhere if you listen to any podcaster

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or a lot of music places like Amazon

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music Google uh Spotify all that it

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should be everywhere you should be able

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to find it under podcast ufo.com I think

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what I'm going to do

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while I'm waiting for our guests to show

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um I'll see them down below in a little

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window here

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um but I think I'm going to bring in

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Bill Bill what's happening Martin what's

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up to everybody in that chat room I see

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a few of those regulars in there calling

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Meads and Cali kid Clara everybody

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that's in that chat room oh yes Bo don't

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forget bow

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Paul's been around forever yeah yeah so

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how's everything with you

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uh doing great yeah thanks for uh saying

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we'll have a little chat ahead of time

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last minute without

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planning anything uh here here we are

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well that's kind of the nature of live

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radio you just never know what's what's

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going to happen but I like it I believe

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you're going to be going to contact in

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the desert right I believe so it looks

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like it's heading that that way as as

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things are get a lot of things going on

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uh between here in South Carolina and

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back in Maine and all over the place so

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we'll see how that all works out but I

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um I don't have it you know I don't have

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my airline tickets yet but I have uh uh

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I'm ready to go as far as everything

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else goes when I went to Roswell three

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let me tell you taking three flights to

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get to Roswell was quite the journey

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they had the flights leaving from Sky

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Harbor Phoenix and it would fly into

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I got on the plane I thought you're

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gonna say a saucer crashed no no it was

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long this was bizarre and nobody

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believed there's Travis Walton Ben

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Hansen nobody believed the story because

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they have taken the flight the following

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evening into Roswell the same flight but

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I get on the plane and Daryl Sims the

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alien Hunt is on the plane oh yes yep

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and does he wear a cowboy hat like yeah

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they have six guns yeah great guy great

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guy yeah yeah he is yeah the plane had

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no lights at all during the whole flight

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we were flying in the complete darkness

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are you saying there was no marking

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lights no inside the plane there was no

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lights there there was no lights in the

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cabin it was completely dark and we were

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like wow this is appropriate we're

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flying into Roswell in that dog like

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this the moon full moon is coming in

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you can't make this up but it's pretty

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Airy huh it was now Roswell for folks

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really really impressive I mean Don

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there often maybe it's half a dozen

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times a year but for those that are

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if you ever get the chance and you you

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documents that are in that library and

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you can go to any box pull out the code

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there's like a alien on a table like the

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alien yeah they got that in the corner

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on display that that's there but the

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libraries where it's at that's where

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on here at the same time contact is

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going oh that's right same weekend right

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yeah and that kind of stinks because you

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hang out oh that's right yeah so because

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everybody seems to be going to contact

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so those that are viewing and listening

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the Pine Bush Fair has three speakers

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because we keep it small you know that

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main event that's June 30th

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and that that's going to be focused on

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the Roswell incident that's the that's

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um what's going on there that's that's

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that's actually the title of the event

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so we're going to be we're going to be

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you mean like kgra yeah yeah I see yeah

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well that'll be a lot of fun yeah I mean

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do you get people sit down I mean

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sit down with you and and talk and

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down with us as well

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so the clips are available in the in the

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kjoadb.com members area you'll see UFO

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get out on YouTube or anything like that

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oh yeah we have a guest oh yeah that's

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some of those clips so for some reason

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we can play the Adan Schmidt interview

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they're they're quite they're about 15

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what do you think you want to just throw

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it up there and then Carlo can wait

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all right let me set this up because I I

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know exactly where they are is all right

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there's a few interviews and I'll let

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viewing uh audience because this wow

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we're so privileged aren't we well

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audience for those that don't know

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Martin is a great person

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um he's a great guy yeah do you ever

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meet him in person you'll you'll know

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exactly

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but definitely catch him when he's

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dancing

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don't don't go there

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oh I know how to cut the rug that's all

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there is to it you did great

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what'd you say I get to choose something

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choose well let me see first of all

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yeah um bill has to find on his crazy

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um where these clips are or I could just

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that just might be easier for me to find

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it'll take me a second but Stephen

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uh yes and uh this question here yes I

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am doing Shaq Harbor I'm really looking

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forward to it uh last year

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um when I was right the same exact time

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that I was supposed to be speaking I was

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having open heart surgery at the exact

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so this year I will be here uh it's

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that's I believe October 3rd I or I

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shag Harbor Nova Scotia speaking I am

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ready we're gonna go nice you have a

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choice of so Katie page host of mufon

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what's up

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did the interviews so we have you could

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choose Melissa tittle she did that film

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code 12 I believe the name of it is oh

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could do as a survey we just don't by

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the time we get done the survey oh we

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don't know be here so I mean okay all

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let's let's do Travis I haven't heard I

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haven't talked to Travis in a while how

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long is that one

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12 minutes 12 minutes perfect let's go

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with it okay hold on let me set it up

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so traffic okay that means full screen

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and share screen so this is Travis

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Walton being interviewed during the UFO

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and here we go

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Chris I hear that perhaps you have uh

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something new in the works

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yeah we're working on a remake but this

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is really early to even be talking about

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it it's just uh it's a long process

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right and uh but hey we could do a

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little teaser right oh it starts it

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starts with a rewrite of the script so

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your abduction 1975. yeah favorite

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decade for me for personal reasons as

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well I had my experiences in the mid

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late 70s as well so I love just

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researching that decade do you think

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after all this time there are still new

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um evidence to be found things to still

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learn and discover well

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um I think the position of uh the media

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and the government is a little bit more

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lenient towards let's let's move away

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from ridicule and and uh make some

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serious comments here right I mean you

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you know I want to thank you personally

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and for all our listeners out there too

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you really had to forge sometimes very

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painfully

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um challenges throughout the years to

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stand up I mean you know to the

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naysayers or the debunkers or you know

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the fill classes in the world right

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but I I think

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um the evidence in the end uh really

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just totally vanquished filled class I

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mean he was a fraud and uh once he

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started modifying the evidence and it

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could be documented that he had changed

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things to uh support his position and

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you know his credibility was gone at

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that point do you think there's people

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that are inserted into to

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um you know the filled classes of the

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world do you think you're intentionally

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put there to to debunk and shoot holes

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well maybe in the past but I think the

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official position now is uh you know

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trying to debunk this is uh uh just it's

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not working to destroy the credibility

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of the issue anymore it's it's damaging

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our credibility so we you know people

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just won't believe me us anymore trying

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to uh continue to say uh it didn't

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happen there's just too many people who

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are no different that's right and and

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speaking of that I mean the abduction

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phenomenon itself

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this seems to and I'm just speaking for

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myself here you know you go into the

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ancient alien theories you know perhaps

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they've been taking people for hundreds

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of years even possibly do you think that

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the the phenomenon has increased stayed

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the same is going down I I couldn't

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really comment on that I'm not really a

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researcher okay I'm I'm sort of an

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expert on my own experience but uh I'm

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not an authority on anyone else's and

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and right not even on the uh phenomena

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as a whole but um

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I I will comment that

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um even my experience was termed

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abduction when it may have been more of

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an ambulance call than an abduction so

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uh an accident occurred that uh was

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really unplanned and unexpected right

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and and so can you tell our listeners

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about that so you were struck right by

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the beam it was a blue beam if I recall

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yeah I got too close in this this energy

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uh came from the craft which may have

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not been an intentional uh weapon at all

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I told you to get close to the craft it

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was a foolish uh impulse and uh so you

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almost felt drawn to do it curious yeah

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curiosity curiosity and everybody was

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it looks like Carlo is here that went

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fast Martin is coming back Carlo is here

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I'm I apologize

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hey what let me before I bring him in

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what was going on background were there

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conference that was the Roswell

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convention center and there was all

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kinds of things going on uh we had our

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own little section where we had our

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things set up but I promise

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that in the future we will play that

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clip maybe we'll do a show based on some

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of the stuff that went on with these

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interviews so did you cut that did you

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cut that interview short just now yeah I

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did because your guest is here standing

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by ah yeah I should have uh yeah all

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right

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I appreciate it you're welcome have a

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all right bye

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whoops we both pushed the same thing hey

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Carlo how you doing I'm doing great how

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are you good I was uh you missed it in

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the beginning but I said here's a guy

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that holds together everything and yet

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he came on at the wrong time but you're

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here that's all that matters I got my

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time zones confused yeah yeah well I'm

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glad you're here for some reason were

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you ever in in Florida at one point in

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my confusion no that that's where I live

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but I'm in uh in Wisconsin visiting my

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son right now and I I just yeah screwed

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up screwed up the hour conversion oh

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yeah yeah that's no problem you're here

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anyway so thank you for that good to see

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you Martin yeah good to see you always I

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always really like uh working with you

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because even when I'm having a meltdown

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behind the scenes and the computers that

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what is that program called that

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that the U.S we use a tricaster the

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tricaster when the tricaster when I'm

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screwing up on the tricaster you're

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always very calm just don't do that

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again

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and we always seem to pull it off well

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The Show Must Show Must Go On that's

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right that's right and uh setting it up

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and breaking it down oh man people have

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no idea what it's like to put on a

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conference and what there is behind the

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scenes

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it is a huge Endeavor to put one of

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those on yeah the Monumental like day's

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work with many many people days plural

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I'm saying to put a lot together a lot

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of planning going into it in advance as

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well yeah yeah but always fun and that

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it always it's amazing when it when you

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get done like ah

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we did it you know that type of thing

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it's a lot of fun but anyway you've

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you've had an interest you know some of

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the things I read through uh what you

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sent me and some of the things you

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have sent me the things that I've

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pondered a lot and uh so you and I have

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pondered a lot of the same uh things

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over the years and uh so I titled it

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basically you know verse versus you know

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belief versus science that type of thing

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as far as our discussion and because I

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know it's it is really hard

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it's such a hard thing to get evidence

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real evidence on you know I mean we have

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I think we have enough evidence but we

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don't have like a craft you know we have

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uh radar photos

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eyewitnesses you know blah blah blah and

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uh but we don't have your you know there

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are some people that say and even people

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higher up

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said that there's perhaps crash you know

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debris somewhere I'm not I'm not so sure

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I had a guess on a little while ago that

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found things in a snow bank after uh

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craft was hovering uh by the way a

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follow-up on that and uh

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Julie Olson I believe it was

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um uh that was about a month or so ago

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uh so uh class fun and

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um in Sweden reached out and they have a

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team that is going to be analyzing those

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those medals and that's on their way to

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it's on its way to Sweden right right

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now if it's not there already and uh so

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there will be a follow-up on that um if

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it ends up being anything

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you know unusual a lot of people wrote

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in on that particular show and said hey

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look it looks like this it looks like

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that you know it does it does look it's

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very uniform looks like it could be a

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piece of an exhaust pipe or something

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you know that type of thing but we'll

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see when it's analyzed and you know it's

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very well could be you know an earth

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made

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object somehow but uh the way it showed

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up and everything is pretty curious it's

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so uh so Carlo more or less what when

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you've thought about this you have a

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book do you have a book coming out did

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you say not not coming out I'm in the

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process of putting together the outline

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for it and hopefully getting a chance to

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write it in the next six months to a

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year and and let's kind of go into what

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that's going to be about

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well it's

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the the tentative title is

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uh UFOs

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and a matter of faith

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which in examines

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the whole phenomena based on a belief

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system

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why do people believe in UFOs and I

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think that's the wrong question it's not

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a matter of belief it's not a matter of

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Faith which implies that you you believe

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in something

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without a

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belief in a UFO is is almost an

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existential thing

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what I'm trying to get to is why do

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people believe

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without having the evidence to support

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their belief system I hear so many

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people say

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it's a given that there are UFOs that

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there are extraterrestrials that

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we have crashed discs somewhere in in

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Ohio or or at Area 51

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but

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where's the evidence

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people believe because they want to

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believe people are interested in this

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field because they're interested in UFOs

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and they have a belief system many of

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them anyway about UFOs

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and

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if if you look at what they believe it

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doesn't necessarily match what is

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actually happening in science or in the

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world of physical reality

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hmm

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and so

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um

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one of the questions you you you

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pondered in this uh thing you sent me

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and is uh that

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something along the lines were why are

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we getting

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so many UFO why would they be here so

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often as they are and that's something

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that's a question that I've asked and

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I've not only have I asked that question

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but I asked an astrophysicist that was

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interested in this topic and he said I

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said why would we be so special what is

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so special about us isn't if there is

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life all over you know the universe

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why would we be visited what would make

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us special and he said oh we are special

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he said he thinks you know he was

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thinking that we are special because

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we're absolutely teeming with life and

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you know perhaps not all

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planets are teeming with life the way we

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are in every inch of the planet just

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about as teeming with some type of life

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you know I believe that was uh along the

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lines of what he came back with and

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perhaps that's not so common

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so

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perhaps that's true there are people who

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say that the universe is teeming with

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life and then there are other people who

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say life is very rare and that defined

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life is is something that's very unique

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uh the whole question I have is what

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makes the Earth so important that if you

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believe what people are telling us that

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we are being visited by multiple

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entities

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different uh extraterrestrials from

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different parts of the Galaxy repeatedly

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on a daily basis that's been going on

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for hundreds if not thousands of years

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what what kind of

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things are here on Earth that would

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require such intense

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okay here's a here's a question right

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off right off the bat here why should I

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disbelieve my personal observation

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experience please don't go right to it's

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all in my mind and you know I personally

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have had a UFO sighting that I couldn't

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explain and uh you know I mean right

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over right over my head and uh I I don't

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know what it was I can't say for sure it

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was extraterrestrial but it sure acted

552
00:24:35,270 --> 00:24:32,760
like nothing that I imagined that we had

553
00:24:37,970 --> 00:24:35,280
you know was a perfectly shaped disc and

554
00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:37,980
was right over my head so anyway uh how

555
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:40,740
would you answer Christopher

556
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:44,159
well I'd answer by saying

557
00:24:47,390 --> 00:24:46,140
believe your personal observation and

558
00:24:49,310 --> 00:24:47,400
experience

559
00:24:51,710 --> 00:24:49,320
but don't

560
00:24:54,890 --> 00:24:51,720
jump to conclusions about what it is

561
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:54,900
like you said I've had experiences I

562
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:58,080
I've stood outside

563
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:01,919
um the Aquarius hotel in in Laughlin

564
00:25:07,730 --> 00:25:05,520
Nevada at multiple UFO conferences I've

565
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:07,740
looked up into the sky I've seen things

566
00:25:13,610 --> 00:25:10,320
that I can't explain

567
00:25:14,750 --> 00:25:13,620
but just because I can't explain what

568
00:25:16,130 --> 00:25:14,760
they are doesn't mean they're

569
00:25:18,590 --> 00:25:16,140
extraterrestrial doesn't mean that

570
00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:18,600
they're UFOs it just means they're

571
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:19,740
unexplained we don't have enough

572
00:25:23,270 --> 00:25:20,640
evidence

573
00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:23,280
to tell us what they are

574
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,600
now

575
00:25:28,669 --> 00:25:26,159
when you start seeing something you

576
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:28,679
can't explain and it acts in a in a way

577
00:25:34,430 --> 00:25:32,159
that is unexplainable then you start

578
00:25:38,510 --> 00:25:34,440
having to figure out what it is that's

579
00:25:40,130 --> 00:25:38,520
going on but to immediately jump to the

580
00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:40,140
conclusion that that's an

581
00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:44,220
extraterrestrial craft or UFO or some

582
00:25:48,769 --> 00:25:46,679
secret military project is just

583
00:25:51,169 --> 00:25:48,779
disregarding

584
00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:51,179
most of what you see

585
00:25:55,789 --> 00:25:53,820
and that is a light in the sky something

586
00:26:00,289 --> 00:25:55,799
that's anomalous something that's active

587
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,850
um

588
00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:02,400
so

589
00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:05,340
you yourself you've had experiences

590
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:07,260
yourself that you've actually seen

591
00:26:12,769 --> 00:26:09,600
something yes

592
00:26:13,610 --> 00:26:12,779
basically and uh how many occasions

593
00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:13,620
would

594
00:26:20,269 --> 00:26:17,880
about uh two or three occasions

595
00:26:23,049 --> 00:26:20,279
um and and I've I've talked to people

596
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:23,059
and I've I've described what I've seen

597
00:26:28,490 --> 00:26:25,039
uh I'm

598
00:26:30,289 --> 00:26:28,500
uh friends with Mark d'antonio who works

599
00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:30,299
with mufon and does a lot of phono

600
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:32,340
analysis things like that and I I told

601
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:36,000
him I saw this object that

602
00:26:40,370 --> 00:26:38,820
just started getting closer and closer

603
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,380
to me and growing brighter and brighter

604
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:42,960
and then all of a sudden it blinked out

605
00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:45,360
and he said you you probably saw a

606
00:26:48,529 --> 00:26:46,500
satellite

607
00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:48,539
that was just reflecting the Sun at the

608
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:50,580
right angle and when it got out of the

609
00:26:53,930 --> 00:26:52,799
angle of the sun that's when it blinked

610
00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:53,940
out

611
00:26:59,090 --> 00:26:56,220
well I I could agree with that I've seen

612
00:27:02,029 --> 00:26:59,100
a lot of satellites um uh from sitting

613
00:27:03,169 --> 00:27:02,039
in the hot tub for hours on end uh but

614
00:27:05,450 --> 00:27:03,179
you know

615
00:27:08,210 --> 00:27:05,460
and he's right about the sun you see it

616
00:27:10,909 --> 00:27:08,220
the as soon as it gets the Earth gets in

617
00:27:12,529 --> 00:27:10,919
the way of the shadow of the Earth right

618
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,539
um you know it goes away but I've never

619
00:27:16,130 --> 00:27:14,400
seen one that I thought was coming at me

620
00:27:18,289 --> 00:27:16,140
like you're saying

621
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,299
so I don't know if that would be you

622
00:27:22,430 --> 00:27:20,640
know the explanation for that particular

623
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,440
situation

624
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:24,720
it was an explanation that made sense to

625
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:25,440
me

626
00:27:31,730 --> 00:27:28,740
uh and explained what I saw now I had

627
00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:31,740
another a sighting where I was in in

628
00:27:38,029 --> 00:27:34,500
northern Wisconsin and I saw a light in

629
00:27:40,850 --> 00:27:38,039
the sky that was moving in a uh

630
00:27:42,110 --> 00:27:40,860
a straight line across the sky all of a

631
00:27:44,450 --> 00:27:42,120
sudden it stopped

632
00:27:48,649 --> 00:27:44,460
and started going backwards

633
00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:48,659
that I can't explain yeah yeah yeah so

634
00:27:53,450 --> 00:27:50,760
that that is that is interesting but I

635
00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:53,460
do get where you're uh I'm I'm careful

636
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,220
to say that you know I don't know I've

637
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:58,799
never said I know what these

638
00:28:03,769 --> 00:28:00,840
I've always been careful since I started

639
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:03,779
the show 11 years ago that I never say

640
00:28:09,409 --> 00:28:04,980
that I know

641
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,419
what these things are but I say the

642
00:28:12,649 --> 00:28:11,039
possibilities you know I will go into

643
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:12,659
the possibilities and that's what makes

644
00:28:20,029 --> 00:28:17,039
this topic really fascinating to me

645
00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:20,039
um there are so many cases that can't be

646
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:22,740
denied but it doesn't mean that we have

647
00:28:27,710 --> 00:28:25,440
our hands on anything for sure you know

648
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,720
like uh you have been there and listened

649
00:28:32,450 --> 00:28:29,760
to all these different people speak for

650
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,460
just one example of this you've heard

651
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:34,799
people from the Ariel School incident

652
00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:37,500
you've heard people from all these

653
00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:40,860
amazing cases at Alejandra Rojas and

654
00:28:44,810 --> 00:28:43,380
Karen has put together over the years

655
00:28:46,669 --> 00:28:44,820
um so you've heard all these people well

656
00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:46,679
you going way back weren't you going

657
00:28:52,250 --> 00:28:49,320
back with the uh International UFO

658
00:28:54,649 --> 00:28:52,260
Congress a long time right that's right

659
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:54,659
back back to the mid 90s

660
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:56,880
so you've heard about everyone there is

661
00:29:02,269 --> 00:28:59,279
on the on the circuit and then and then

662
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,279
some more I'll probably have I I haven't

663
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,320
counted but I'm I'm guessing it's well

664
00:29:09,710 --> 00:29:06,000
over a thousand presentations that I've

665
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,720
seen over the years yeah yeah and uh I I

666
00:29:13,549 --> 00:29:11,520
guess I have to ask you this of all the

667
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,559
ones that you've listened to and heard

668
00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:15,840
where do you find the most compelling of

669
00:29:23,389 --> 00:29:21,350
uh

670
00:29:25,730 --> 00:29:23,399
that's a very difficult question for me

671
00:29:26,930 --> 00:29:25,740
to answer and I I I've tried to answer

672
00:29:27,889 --> 00:29:26,940
that

673
00:29:31,490 --> 00:29:27,899
but

674
00:29:33,049 --> 00:29:31,500
I I can't I can't say who or what the

675
00:29:36,289 --> 00:29:33,059
most compelling presentation is I've

676
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,299
ever seen I'll tell you uh the the guest

677
00:29:40,430 --> 00:29:38,399
that was being interviewed prior to me

678
00:29:42,350 --> 00:29:40,440
coming on Travis Walton

679
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:42,360
um I I've known Travis for over 20 years

680
00:29:50,750 --> 00:29:43,440
and

681
00:29:54,169 --> 00:29:50,760
he tells it every every time I see him

682
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,179
at a convention or at a conference he

683
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:56,880
tells the same story he has consistency

684
00:30:02,029 --> 00:29:59,760
he doesn't make up more interesting

685
00:30:04,669 --> 00:30:02,039
things he doesn't get abducted again and

686
00:30:06,889 --> 00:30:04,679
again so there's there's something about

687
00:30:08,210 --> 00:30:06,899
Travis's story that is very compelling

688
00:30:10,909 --> 00:30:08,220
to me

689
00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:10,919
crazy and I agree with you you know yeah

690
00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:12,779
is he telling the truth

691
00:30:17,210 --> 00:30:15,000
he believes he is

692
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:17,220
uh you know there's there's no physical

693
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:20,640
evidence to support his claims it's do I

694
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:23,760
believe Travis Walton and

695
00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:29,930
um I do too I've sat across from him and

696
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:31,740
had many conversations over the years

697
00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:35,760
and I don't I don't doubt him at all you

698
00:30:40,850 --> 00:30:37,980
know and there are there has been some

699
00:30:43,370 --> 00:30:40,860
detractors and a lot of times he's he's

700
00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:43,380
like gone away from this whole topic

701
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:45,480
because he's had it he's got the burnout

702
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,760
and he's he's tired of people harassing

703
00:30:51,409 --> 00:30:49,440
him and saying there was nothing going

704
00:30:54,169 --> 00:30:51,419
on and I heard him mention in that

705
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:54,179
interview Phil class and uh that was an

706
00:30:57,889 --> 00:30:56,340
another guy that

707
00:30:59,690 --> 00:30:57,899
um you know I don't know if it's really

708
00:31:01,850 --> 00:30:59,700
I don't know if there's really evidence

709
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:01,860
out there but but supposedly he had

710
00:31:06,049 --> 00:31:04,799
offered ten thousand dollars for uh was

711
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,059
it Steve

712
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,399
I can't remember who it was uh to say

713
00:31:12,409 --> 00:31:10,799
that it was a hoax you know I mean that

714
00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:12,419
that's incred if that story is true

715
00:31:16,610 --> 00:31:15,240
that's incredible really and where would

716
00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:16,620
that money come from and why would that

717
00:31:21,649 --> 00:31:19,320
money be spent you know it doesn't

718
00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:21,659
it doesn't make any sense that's one of

719
00:31:26,409 --> 00:31:23,460
the things that bothers me about this

720
00:31:29,389 --> 00:31:26,419
phenomena is there's so much

721
00:31:31,810 --> 00:31:29,399
backfighting and and backstabbing and

722
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:31,820
and people

723
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:35,039
telling stories about other people and

724
00:31:40,130 --> 00:31:37,740
you just you don't know what to believe

725
00:31:43,310 --> 00:31:40,140
or who you believe in a lot of cases

726
00:31:44,810 --> 00:31:43,320
yeah yeah there is a there is can be a

727
00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:44,820
lot of that I try to stay out of that

728
00:31:49,549 --> 00:31:47,700
type of thing like uh I don't get

729
00:31:51,230 --> 00:31:49,559
involved in between there was a couple

730
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:51,240
of things that I accidentally got

731
00:31:56,029 --> 00:31:54,240
involved involved in between uh but I

732
00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:56,039
I'd rather stay out of that whole

733
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,820
infighting part of this uh and it is too

734
00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:01,679
bad we should all try to get along and

735
00:32:07,010 --> 00:32:04,140
and everything seems to be divided

736
00:32:08,810 --> 00:32:07,020
whether it's politics or UFOs or you

737
00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:08,820
name it it seems like there's a division

738
00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:10,620
like you're right and I'm wrong and

739
00:32:15,950 --> 00:32:13,320
there's absolutely and there's wide

740
00:32:17,870 --> 00:32:15,960
brush Strokes that everyone is in this

741
00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:17,880
basket and everyone's in that basket and

742
00:32:23,690 --> 00:32:21,240
yeah yeah so uh it would be nice if if

743
00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:23,700
less of that was happening

744
00:32:28,490 --> 00:32:25,980
and uh someone

745
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:28,500
is asking a question did I get in

746
00:32:33,169 --> 00:32:30,000
trouble with

747
00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:33,179
every time I answer that so I'll let you

748
00:32:37,310 --> 00:32:35,460
what do you think about Bal Bazaar

749
00:32:52,190 --> 00:32:37,320
uh

750
00:32:56,269 --> 00:32:52,200
know George Knapp has done a great job

751
00:32:57,889 --> 00:32:56,279
of of researching uh Bob's background uh

752
00:33:01,610 --> 00:32:57,899
Stanton Friedman on the other hand

753
00:33:03,950 --> 00:33:01,620
doesn't think much of him uh I

754
00:33:05,930 --> 00:33:03,960
I reserve my judgment on Bob Lazar

755
00:33:08,450 --> 00:33:05,940
there's there's a lot of backstory that

756
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:08,460
doesn't quite add up he doesn't have the

757
00:33:12,889 --> 00:33:10,020
paperwork he doesn't have the the

758
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:12,899
necessary proof but

759
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:14,720
you know

760
00:33:20,090 --> 00:33:17,760
Bob Lazar is one of those people

761
00:33:22,450 --> 00:33:20,100
who came to the UFO Congress several

762
00:33:24,970 --> 00:33:22,460
years ago he had been

763
00:33:29,930 --> 00:33:24,980
absent from the field for quite a while

764
00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:29,940
and actually it took a large

765
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:30,600
um

766
00:33:35,389 --> 00:33:32,820
stipend for him to come to make his

767
00:33:40,850 --> 00:33:35,399
presentation and to do his uh interview

768
00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:40,860
with the with George and to do the the

769
00:33:46,370 --> 00:33:44,460
the presentation at the Congress but you

770
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:46,380
know he he came across as very very

771
00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:49,620
sincere and a very nice guy

772
00:33:54,769 --> 00:33:53,220
well you know I I I'm gonna differ with

773
00:33:56,269 --> 00:33:54,779
you there here I'm going to be the

774
00:33:57,529 --> 00:33:56,279
skeptic when it comes to Bob Lazar

775
00:34:01,009 --> 00:33:57,539
because

776
00:34:03,230 --> 00:34:01,019
um it you doesn't add up it does not add

777
00:34:04,970 --> 00:34:03,240
up there's I did a Blog on it I caught a

778
00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:04,980
lot of heck for the blog

779
00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:07,320
um I confronted I was trying to see if I

780
00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:10,619
could see this I confronted George Knapp

781
00:34:15,169 --> 00:34:12,300
um now I like George Knapp I think he's

782
00:34:18,349 --> 00:34:15,179
one heck of a journalist yes and uh but

783
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:18,359
I think this is where and I don't care

784
00:34:22,909 --> 00:34:20,460
if he hears that I say this this is

785
00:34:27,470 --> 00:34:22,919
where George Knapp has gone wrong I

786
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:27,480
really think he is I I think he is too

787
00:34:33,649 --> 00:34:30,960
uh he's too involved in this okay this

788
00:34:35,089 --> 00:34:33,659
is what I wrote George George I've done

789
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:35,099
a lot of Deep dive

790
00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:37,679
into researching Bob Lazar over the

791
00:34:42,290 --> 00:34:40,020
years my close friend's daughter works

792
00:34:44,690 --> 00:34:42,300
in the records department at MIT can do

793
00:34:46,669 --> 00:34:44,700
the deepest search in research and there

794
00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:46,679
is no way any government or anyone else

795
00:34:51,649 --> 00:34:49,020
could wipe out all the records with all

796
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:51,659
the redundancy I respect you as a

797
00:34:56,930 --> 00:34:54,240
journalist you have done so much to help

798
00:35:00,290 --> 00:34:56,940
the needle move the needle forward in

799
00:35:01,490 --> 00:35:00,300
regards to UFOs yet you must know Bob is

800
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:01,500
a fraud

801
00:35:06,349 --> 00:35:03,839
but maybe you are in too deep to admit

802
00:35:09,050 --> 00:35:06,359
it I watched and read all of what you

803
00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:09,060
have done from the beginning when you

804
00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:10,980
look at all the records documents and

805
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:13,380
his claims there's way too much against

806
00:35:19,130 --> 00:35:16,079
the possibility of what he asserts do

807
00:35:20,990 --> 00:35:19,140
you just blow all that stuff off as

808
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,000
flagrant debunking

809
00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:23,520
I as well as anyone else

810
00:35:28,849 --> 00:35:26,520
want wanted the story to be true but I

811
00:35:30,770 --> 00:35:28,859
have to follow the facts there is no

812
00:35:33,770 --> 00:35:30,780
hate here as you claim a lot of people

813
00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:33,780
do against him I just have the desire to

814
00:35:39,410 --> 00:35:37,020
know the truth Martin so he wrote me

815
00:35:41,650 --> 00:35:39,420
back he said uh people are welcome to

816
00:35:44,270 --> 00:35:41,660
form their own opinions about him I've

817
00:35:46,910 --> 00:35:44,280
in the great detail how I formed mine

818
00:35:48,109 --> 00:35:46,920
something you would expect to hear from

819
00:35:49,790 --> 00:35:48,119
George Knapp but I just thought I'd

820
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:49,800
throw that out there and every time I

821
00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:53,040
bring up the Bob Lazar topic and that I

822
00:35:57,770 --> 00:35:55,380
do believe he's a fraud a hundred

823
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,780
percent I am a hundred percent

824
00:36:02,210 --> 00:35:59,760
sure I'm more

825
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,220
sure about Bob Lazar being a fraud than

826
00:36:06,589 --> 00:36:04,800
I am that there's UFOs flying around in

827
00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:06,599
the sky so

828
00:36:11,930 --> 00:36:09,720
um anyway that's my opinion and and and

829
00:36:14,329 --> 00:36:11,940
when I do that I get hate meal I have

830
00:36:18,589 --> 00:36:14,339
people you know cancel their patreon

831
00:36:21,710 --> 00:36:18,599
things and uh uh so but I don't care I

832
00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:21,720
just feel like the facts all lead to the

833
00:36:27,890 --> 00:36:24,839
fact that he is a fraud and I I don't

834
00:36:28,849 --> 00:36:27,900
care sue me Bob Lazar I think you're a

835
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,859
fraud

836
00:36:33,770 --> 00:36:31,200
so I I I think that goes to the original

837
00:36:36,589 --> 00:36:33,780
point that we were talking about that

838
00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:36,599
that people believe the Bob Lazar

839
00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:38,940
whether the evidence is there or not

840
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:41,940
it's it's a yes it's a matter of Faith

841
00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:43,920
they will not look at they will not read

842
00:36:47,630 --> 00:36:45,480
my blog I've asked the number of people

843
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,640
I said please read my blog I have it all

844
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,920
laid out I have PDFs I have all kinds of

845
00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:51,599
things laid out you can go through it

846
00:36:54,890 --> 00:36:53,640
and make up your own mind and they will

847
00:36:57,710 --> 00:36:54,900
not read it they've already made up

848
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,720
their minds that he is 100 real and

849
00:37:02,510 --> 00:36:59,760
right you know he was working on the

850
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:02,520
sports model and you know all that uh at

851
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,520
Area 51 and you know he had uh the

852
00:37:09,410 --> 00:37:07,680
highest clearance possible within two

853
00:37:12,170 --> 00:37:09,420
weeks and you know all that all that

854
00:37:15,230 --> 00:37:12,180
type of stuff but right right and

855
00:37:19,130 --> 00:37:15,240
there's no way to check it

856
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:19,140
right I mean how could you right yes and

857
00:37:25,490 --> 00:37:23,280
um yeah but anyway that blog I can I'll

858
00:37:28,190 --> 00:37:25,500
I'll put that blog Link in the show

859
00:37:31,609 --> 00:37:28,200
notes if anyone cares to read it but you

860
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:33,650
but anyway that's how I feel about Bob

861
00:37:38,290 --> 00:37:35,940
and uh Cali kid thanks for uh starting

862
00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:38,300
this whole thing

863
00:37:44,750 --> 00:37:41,880
but uh and I I'd like to add that you

864
00:37:47,170 --> 00:37:44,760
know like I've said I I've seen over a

865
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:47,180
thousand of these presentations and I

866
00:37:52,970 --> 00:37:51,599
the more I see the less convinced I am

867
00:37:56,990 --> 00:37:52,980
of

868
00:38:00,770 --> 00:37:57,000
are saying because so many contradict

869
00:38:03,069 --> 00:38:00,780
each other so many are based on on just

870
00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:03,079
having a belief or faith in something

871
00:38:07,250 --> 00:38:05,099
there's no physical evidence somebody

872
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:07,260
just to search something and we're

873
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:09,180
supposed to believe it

874
00:38:13,490 --> 00:38:10,320
hmm

875
00:38:15,470 --> 00:38:13,500
yeah you know it's uh my son's down uh

876
00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:15,480
visiting me down here in South Carolina

877
00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:17,160
we went for a walk today and we were

878
00:38:22,370 --> 00:38:20,940
talking about uh beliefs you know uh he

879
00:38:24,170 --> 00:38:22,380
said kind of what what is your show

880
00:38:25,609 --> 00:38:24,180
about and I I told him and I said you

881
00:38:27,170 --> 00:38:25,619
know it's a lot about beliefs and you

882
00:38:28,250 --> 00:38:27,180
know he says yeah people just want to

883
00:38:30,109 --> 00:38:28,260
believe and

884
00:38:33,530 --> 00:38:30,119
you know they want to believe in

885
00:38:35,450 --> 00:38:33,540
something and they they don't they don't

886
00:38:37,490 --> 00:38:35,460
want any of the facts to change their

887
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:37,500
mind so they want to just want to

888
00:38:41,810 --> 00:38:38,640
believe in it

889
00:38:44,690 --> 00:38:41,820
so what what is the poster on on

890
00:38:45,950 --> 00:38:44,700
The X-Files on yeah I want to believe I

891
00:38:50,569 --> 00:38:45,960
want to believe

892
00:38:53,569 --> 00:38:50,579
have something that they can believe it

893
00:38:55,849 --> 00:38:53,579
whether it's it's true or not whether

894
00:38:58,910 --> 00:38:55,859
there's scientific evidence I'm about

895
00:39:01,130 --> 00:38:58,920
the science I'm about searching for the

896
00:39:04,250 --> 00:39:01,140
things that will prove

897
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:04,260
the existence of of extraterrestrials of

898
00:39:08,089 --> 00:39:06,240
Intergalactic flight there are just so

899
00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:08,099
many things that disprove them right now

900
00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:11,460
that it makes it difficult to to accept

901
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:13,800
them and to believe them

902
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:15,599
so what do you what do you think about

903
00:39:21,170 --> 00:39:18,720
the people that are jumping in like Avi

904
00:39:23,930 --> 00:39:21,180
lobe and people like that around that

905
00:39:27,230 --> 00:39:23,940
are interested in doing Kevin knuth

906
00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:27,240
there's many people out there that are

907
00:39:31,550 --> 00:39:29,460
looking to do science

908
00:39:33,770 --> 00:39:31,560
and I think it's a great thing that

909
00:39:36,829 --> 00:39:33,780
myself right

910
00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:36,839
up up until this point I think that this

911
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:38,820
this field has been dominated by

912
00:39:44,329 --> 00:39:41,520
amateurs people who have no credentials

913
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:44,339
who are interested in the subject and

914
00:39:48,109 --> 00:39:45,599
because they're interested in the

915
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:48,119
subject they have a predisposition to

916
00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:50,240
believe

917
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:53,220
and they find evidence that supports

918
00:39:58,130 --> 00:39:56,160
their belief and in many cases may

919
00:40:00,829 --> 00:39:58,140
disregard or downplay evidence that

920
00:40:01,910 --> 00:40:00,839
doesn't support their beliefs

921
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:01,920
hmm

922
00:40:09,490 --> 00:40:05,520
so what what do you think is I guess

923
00:40:11,569 --> 00:40:09,500
and people are welcome to uh my question

924
00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:11,579
and you're welcome to post the question

925
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:13,740
if you would please put them in caps so

926
00:40:19,609 --> 00:40:17,280
I catch them but uh so what do you think

927
00:40:22,010 --> 00:40:19,619
of all the sightings that people are

928
00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:22,020
seeing what do you think about

929
00:40:27,770 --> 00:40:24,540
say let's just take one case in

930
00:40:29,210 --> 00:40:27,780
particular the Tic Tac UFO the sighting

931
00:40:37,609 --> 00:40:29,220
off of

932
00:40:39,410 --> 00:40:37,619
coast right in 2004.

933
00:40:41,810 --> 00:40:39,420
that's a very interesting case in that

934
00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:41,820
there is evidence

935
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:45,420
both Visual and anecdotal from the

936
00:40:50,930 --> 00:40:49,440
people who are uh witnessing it uh what

937
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:50,940
it is I don't know

938
00:40:57,050 --> 00:40:53,520
uh you know I've talked to to Kevin Day

939
00:40:59,089 --> 00:40:57,060
and he can he can tell me that he

940
00:41:01,010 --> 00:40:59,099
doesn't know what it is he has some

941
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:01,020
thoughts as to what it might be

942
00:41:05,930 --> 00:41:03,359
but to jump to the conclusion again that

943
00:41:07,550 --> 00:41:05,940
it is an extraterrestrial craft it's

944
00:41:09,530 --> 00:41:07,560
just premature we don't have enough

945
00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:09,540
enough evidence

946
00:41:14,030 --> 00:41:12,060
and would you and do you feel the same

947
00:41:17,930 --> 00:41:14,040
way about

948
00:41:20,349 --> 00:41:17,940
say

949
00:41:23,210 --> 00:41:20,359
not just the alien but there's other

950
00:41:26,089 --> 00:41:23,220
alternatives to that which would be

951
00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:26,099
possibly interdimensional or time travel

952
00:41:32,569 --> 00:41:29,880
or there are other theories out there

953
00:41:34,310 --> 00:41:32,579
um I mean do let me I guess I'll put it

954
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:34,320
this way do you feel any stronger about

955
00:41:40,010 --> 00:41:37,140
the possibility of any of those one over

956
00:41:45,710 --> 00:41:42,710
all of them are problematic in the sense

957
00:41:49,310 --> 00:41:45,720
of of not following the laws of physics

958
00:41:51,650 --> 00:41:49,320
you know we we have to figure out how to

959
00:41:53,329 --> 00:41:51,660
time travel in order for there to be a

960
00:41:56,930 --> 00:41:53,339
time travel

961
00:41:58,490 --> 00:41:56,940
you know UFO uh I there's there's a lot

962
00:41:59,930 --> 00:41:58,500
of speculation a lot of books written

963
00:42:01,609 --> 00:41:59,940
about it and I think it's a very

964
00:42:03,470 --> 00:42:01,619
compelling argument

965
00:42:05,870 --> 00:42:03,480
but until we have the the science and

966
00:42:07,730 --> 00:42:05,880
the physics that makes it possible I

967
00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:07,740
think we have to kind of downplay that

968
00:42:13,130 --> 00:42:10,020
idea I think it's much more likely that

969
00:42:17,089 --> 00:42:13,140
it is more of a terrestrial nature of

970
00:42:19,609 --> 00:42:17,099
some secret military project or uh

971
00:42:22,849 --> 00:42:19,619
something that is being worked on

972
00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:22,859
by the the Russians or Chinese or

973
00:42:29,810 --> 00:42:26,220
somebody else but until there's enough

974
00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:29,820
evidence to support any other hypothesis

975
00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:32,460
I I think none of those things work but

976
00:42:37,069 --> 00:42:34,260
but you can blow so many holes through

977
00:42:39,650 --> 00:42:37,079
what you just said okay you know I mean

978
00:42:42,290 --> 00:42:39,660
you think about that

979
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,300
um there have been people seeing these

980
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:45,359
things and witnessing on radar you know

981
00:42:52,730 --> 00:42:48,800
20 000 miles an hour back in you know

982
00:42:55,130 --> 00:42:52,740
1960s right and some of these uh

983
00:42:59,089 --> 00:42:55,140
triangles people are talking about you

984
00:43:01,370 --> 00:42:59,099
know in the 70s if they were military we

985
00:43:03,890 --> 00:43:01,380
would have to know by now

986
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:03,900
if they were fat all the way back in the

987
00:43:08,210 --> 00:43:05,119
70s or

988
00:43:12,349 --> 00:43:08,220
and doing the unusual things that they

989
00:43:20,089 --> 00:43:15,670
Perhaps Perhaps not

990
00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:20,099
a lot of a lot of military research

991
00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:22,140
goes until it reaches a dead end and

992
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,420
then it's it's crapped and put into

993
00:43:29,390 --> 00:43:26,880
another project so

994
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,400
who knows what about the Phoenix Lights

995
00:43:35,630 --> 00:43:31,440
that's that's an example I mean would

996
00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:35,640
you think that military back in 1997

997
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:38,940
and the size of it that's the thing you

998
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,920
know I mean that one in particular

999
00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:43,200
everyone mentioned that it could be a

1000
00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:45,540
mile wide you know Peak to peak in the

1001
00:43:50,089 --> 00:43:48,420
mountains that type of thing

1002
00:43:53,290 --> 00:43:50,099
I I think there were several things

1003
00:43:55,550 --> 00:43:53,300
going on uh during the Phoenix Lights

1004
00:43:57,770 --> 00:43:55,560
a lot of people

1005
00:43:59,150 --> 00:43:57,780
reported the lights that disappeared

1006
00:44:00,770 --> 00:43:59,160
over the mountains or behind the

1007
00:44:03,050 --> 00:44:00,780
mountains

1008
00:44:07,010 --> 00:44:03,060
um I think there's a compelling case

1009
00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:07,020
that that was some kind of a flare but

1010
00:44:11,569 --> 00:44:09,240
there were flares there was no doubt

1011
00:44:14,809 --> 00:44:11,579
that there were flares but the the the

1012
00:44:19,089 --> 00:44:14,819
the giant triangular craft that people

1013
00:44:21,770 --> 00:44:19,099
observed for miles and for hours

1014
00:44:25,309 --> 00:44:21,780
that that's something that I don't know

1015
00:44:26,089 --> 00:44:25,319
what it is I can't explain it

1016
00:44:28,970 --> 00:44:26,099
um

1017
00:44:30,670 --> 00:44:28,980
to say if it's it's extraterrestrial who

1018
00:44:33,470 --> 00:44:30,680
knows

1019
00:44:35,930 --> 00:44:33,480
someone asked a question earlier just

1020
00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:35,940
because it seems to come up uh not

1021
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:39,660
earlier uh let's see where was it

1022
00:44:45,410 --> 00:44:42,480
uh nope uh because it comes up all the

1023
00:44:46,849 --> 00:44:45,420
time is this one right here this seems

1024
00:44:50,569 --> 00:44:46,859
like the most common thing coming up

1025
00:44:53,770 --> 00:44:50,579
when it comes to UFOs uh conscious how

1026
00:44:55,970 --> 00:44:53,780
does Consciousness relate to the uigp

1027
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,980
and do you understand the question it's

1028
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,599
a tough question because I've had

1029
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:59,520
different people try to explain it to me

1030
00:45:02,569 --> 00:45:00,960
and I still don't know if I really know

1031
00:45:05,930 --> 00:45:02,579
what it means

1032
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:05,940
either

1033
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:06,720
um

1034
00:45:11,809 --> 00:45:09,359
it seems to me

1035
00:45:13,250 --> 00:45:11,819
maybe maybe it's trying to get it to

1036
00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:13,260
people with a higher level of

1037
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:16,740
Consciousness uh have more res are more

1038
00:45:24,770 --> 00:45:21,119
receptive to seeing UFOs or UAP

1039
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,780
um or it could be does your is there

1040
00:45:28,849 --> 00:45:27,359
something that's manifested in your mind

1041
00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:28,859
type of thing right

1042
00:45:35,210 --> 00:45:32,220
I mean I I don't know I don't know uh

1043
00:45:36,589 --> 00:45:35,220
exactly I I wish I could get that

1044
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:36,599
exactly get that down and understand

1045
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,839
exactly what what that means to the

1046
00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:41,520
relation I've had you know I've had

1047
00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:43,560
people talking on that subject and I

1048
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:45,720
still got done with the show and still

1049
00:45:48,829 --> 00:45:47,760
like I don't really I'm just quite

1050
00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:48,839
understand

1051
00:45:54,050 --> 00:45:50,700
because there are a lot of people who

1052
00:45:56,089 --> 00:45:54,060
believe that uh people have different

1053
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,099
levels of consciousness that they're

1054
00:46:00,050 --> 00:45:58,160
they're receptive to different things

1055
00:46:02,569 --> 00:46:00,060
based on the level of their

1056
00:46:04,430 --> 00:46:02,579
Consciousness and people with more open

1057
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:04,440
minds with higher levels of

1058
00:46:10,010 --> 00:46:06,720
consciousness are more likely to see

1059
00:46:11,390 --> 00:46:10,020
things that other people disregard or

1060
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,400
don't see

1061
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:13,680
so I think there there's something to

1062
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:18,000
that but it it has perhaps more to do

1063
00:46:24,050 --> 00:46:21,119
with just people being more observant

1064
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:24,060
and understanding what they're seeing

1065
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,400
versus somebody who just glances up in

1066
00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:29,280
the sky sees a light moving and makes an

1067
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:31,020
assumption about something

1068
00:46:33,710 --> 00:46:31,680
um

1069
00:46:35,450 --> 00:46:33,720
now this the subject has come up that

1070
00:46:37,010 --> 00:46:35,460
because it's happened in a number of

1071
00:46:40,730 --> 00:46:37,020
cases that I've talked to people about

1072
00:46:42,410 --> 00:46:40,740
and that is that one person will

1073
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:42,420
two people would be standing side by

1074
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,260
side

1075
00:46:46,970 --> 00:46:45,359
and one person will see one thing and

1076
00:46:49,849 --> 00:46:46,980
another person will see another I think

1077
00:46:52,130 --> 00:46:49,859
that's pretty fascinating myself

1078
00:46:54,530 --> 00:46:52,140
and it's not uncommon

1079
00:46:56,809 --> 00:46:54,540
no not at all and

1080
00:46:59,569 --> 00:46:56,819
let me give you an example

1081
00:47:02,630 --> 00:46:59,579
uh quite a few years ago I was at Area

1082
00:47:05,870 --> 00:47:02,640
51 with a group of people or you were at

1083
00:47:07,569 --> 00:47:05,880
Area 51 at the blackmail box outside of

1084
00:47:09,410 --> 00:47:07,579
here okay

1085
00:47:12,170 --> 00:47:09,420
wow it's going to have another

1086
00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:12,180
conversation with you yeah

1087
00:47:16,010 --> 00:47:14,760
and and it's a sky watch and people are

1088
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,020
looking up in the sky and somebody

1089
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,480
points up and said look at that that

1090
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:20,880
that object is moving back and forth and

1091
00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:23,760
and it's it's blinking and I I look up

1092
00:47:28,609 --> 00:47:26,220
in the sky and I said what objects are

1093
00:47:29,170 --> 00:47:28,619
you looking at and you know I

1094
00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:29,180
I

1095
00:47:33,470 --> 00:47:31,020
have it

1096
00:47:36,109 --> 00:47:33,480
amateur interest in astronomy and I I'm

1097
00:47:38,569 --> 00:47:36,119
able to kind of identify planets and

1098
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,579
things like that and then you know I you

1099
00:47:44,089 --> 00:47:41,040
mean that star up there

1100
00:47:48,589 --> 00:47:46,550
and they they say yeah that that and

1101
00:47:51,470 --> 00:47:48,599
it's changing colors it's it's moving

1102
00:47:53,930 --> 00:47:51,480
and I I'm looking at it and it's it's

1103
00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:53,940
twinkling like a star it's changing

1104
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:55,260
color a little bit because of

1105
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,839
atmospheric aberration and it's moving

1106
00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:59,520
because the

1107
00:48:04,010 --> 00:48:02,160
you know the atmosphere is unsteady but

1108
00:48:06,890 --> 00:48:04,020
there's there's nothing unusual about it

1109
00:48:09,410 --> 00:48:06,900
yeah yeah I mean your eyes can play

1110
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,420
tricks on you when you're staring up at

1111
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:11,760
you know like Venus for instance for

1112
00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:14,160
instance you know the the times many

1113
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:15,720
times people say oh that was just Venus

1114
00:48:20,930 --> 00:48:18,420
well a lot of times me can be so bright

1115
00:48:23,390 --> 00:48:20,940
in the sky right that it makes you take

1116
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:23,400
a second look at it you know it's yeah

1117
00:48:28,550 --> 00:48:26,880
but uh but not to say that these things

1118
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:28,560
are not seen different things aren't

1119
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:31,440
seen all over because they they are and

1120
00:48:37,309 --> 00:48:34,319
who knows right and I I wonder a lot of

1121
00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:37,319
times how much of this that people see

1122
00:48:43,609 --> 00:48:41,220
is because they want to see it

1123
00:48:46,190 --> 00:48:43,619
we're at the Black Mailbox you know

1124
00:48:49,069 --> 00:48:46,200
something's got to happen here oh oh I

1125
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:49,079
think I think you if you were if you

1126
00:48:53,329 --> 00:48:50,880
psych yourself up like you're going to

1127
00:48:55,309 --> 00:48:53,339
see something right then you're much

1128
00:48:58,430 --> 00:48:55,319
more susceptible to see something that's

1129
00:49:00,890 --> 00:48:58,440
you know if you'd happen like me just

1130
00:49:02,089 --> 00:49:00,900
had no thought or like many people had

1131
00:49:03,470 --> 00:49:02,099
no thought in their mind about anything

1132
00:49:06,109 --> 00:49:03,480
and all of a sudden something goes over

1133
00:49:07,849 --> 00:49:06,119
you a whole different thing but if you

1134
00:49:11,690 --> 00:49:07,859
know if you're out there I mean there's

1135
00:49:14,450 --> 00:49:11,700
a funny story about a uh ce5

1136
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:14,460
um watch when everybody was thinking

1137
00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:16,319
they they're they just thought they were

1138
00:49:19,790 --> 00:49:17,400
seeing

1139
00:49:21,970 --> 00:49:19,800
things and that weren't there you know

1140
00:49:24,589 --> 00:49:21,980
right right so

1141
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,599
that that's one of the things that we

1142
00:49:29,150 --> 00:49:26,640
see a lot at the uh at the UFO

1143
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:29,160
conferences these pictures where nobody

1144
00:49:33,530 --> 00:49:30,960
saw anything when the picture was taken

1145
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:33,540
but all of a sudden there's a an object

1146
00:49:44,569 --> 00:49:42,710
in most cases it's it's just like a bird

1147
00:49:46,970 --> 00:49:44,579
or something that it just happens to be

1148
00:49:49,010 --> 00:49:46,980
flying across frame and the shutter

1149
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:49,020
opens at exactly the right time and and

1150
00:49:54,170 --> 00:49:52,079
freezes that image in the background

1151
00:49:56,210 --> 00:49:54,180
but a lot of people look and say oh look

1152
00:49:58,609 --> 00:49:56,220
I didn't see that it's an apparition

1153
00:50:01,130 --> 00:49:58,619
it's it's an orb it's something that

1154
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:01,140
wasn't there that nobody can see but

1155
00:50:05,569 --> 00:50:03,359
we captured it on film so there yeah

1156
00:50:07,370 --> 00:50:05,579
that happens all the time it can even be

1157
00:50:09,650 --> 00:50:07,380
an insect you know yes

1158
00:50:11,930 --> 00:50:09,660
um so I I gotta tell you a funny story I

1159
00:50:14,829 --> 00:50:11,940
was on my way to to I drew one year I

1160
00:50:17,870 --> 00:50:14,839
drove all the way from Maine to Phoenix

1161
00:50:19,849 --> 00:50:17,880
for and I'll never do that again I

1162
00:50:21,950 --> 00:50:19,859
caught the flu at the conference and had

1163
00:50:23,870 --> 00:50:21,960
to come back while I had the flu that

1164
00:50:26,510 --> 00:50:23,880
was terrible but anyway I'm on the way

1165
00:50:28,670 --> 00:50:26,520
there and I'm going by this Mesa

1166
00:50:29,930 --> 00:50:28,680
something really cool and I snapped you

1167
00:50:32,210 --> 00:50:29,940
know a picture with my phone and all

1168
00:50:36,109 --> 00:50:32,220
that and so then later on I'm looking at

1169
00:50:39,230 --> 00:50:36,119
the pictures and and I go oh my God I

1170
00:50:41,089 --> 00:50:39,240
caught a disc I caught a UFO I can't

1171
00:50:43,849 --> 00:50:41,099
believe I didn't even see it when I took

1172
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:43,859
the picture so I marked the internal you

1173
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:46,800
happen to be in the room when I was uh

1174
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:49,680
when I saw this picture I said hey Mark

1175
00:50:54,109 --> 00:50:51,599
hey Mark come here come come look at

1176
00:50:56,210 --> 00:50:54,119
this and he's looking and he goes hmm

1177
00:50:58,430 --> 00:50:56,220
that looks like you might have you know

1178
00:51:01,130 --> 00:50:58,440
how Marcus that looks like we might have

1179
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,140
something on your window in your car

1180
00:51:04,730 --> 00:51:03,359
window so I went out to my car and sure

1181
00:51:06,770 --> 00:51:04,740
enough there was a piece of grass a

1182
00:51:08,510 --> 00:51:06,780
little piece of grass right that was

1183
00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:08,520
stuck to the window at the right angle

1184
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,400
and it just looked like a perfect disc

1185
00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:13,200
when you're looking out the window it's

1186
00:51:18,650 --> 00:51:15,660
arrested so that's some of the famous

1187
00:51:19,730 --> 00:51:18,660
UFO pictures from the 50s and 60s are

1188
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:19,740
reflections

1189
00:51:25,490 --> 00:51:22,440
yes there's one that the New York Times

1190
00:51:27,530 --> 00:51:25,500
used and I contacted them I contacted

1191
00:51:30,589 --> 00:51:27,540
and left the cane and said Leslie that

1192
00:51:31,549 --> 00:51:30,599
is lights in a diner reflecting on the

1193
00:51:34,250 --> 00:51:31,559
window

1194
00:51:36,290 --> 00:51:34,260
that famous picture of the Depot in

1195
00:51:39,770 --> 00:51:36,300
Massachusetts yep

1196
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,780
I said that is a reflection you want to

1197
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:41,280
tell the New York Times to remove that

1198
00:51:45,950 --> 00:51:43,200
picture right away so I don't know if

1199
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:45,960
they ever if they ever did but yes so I

1200
00:51:51,049 --> 00:51:48,720
I I like there are so many that my

1201
00:51:54,290 --> 00:51:51,059
attitude about UFOs

1202
00:51:57,410 --> 00:51:54,300
is there are so many really interesting

1203
00:51:59,630 --> 00:51:57,420
sightings we don't need the extras right

1204
00:52:02,030 --> 00:51:59,640
you know they're to know what these

1205
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:02,040
things are and you know you talk about

1206
00:52:05,150 --> 00:52:03,119
science

1207
00:52:06,730 --> 00:52:05,160
it's such a hard thing to study with

1208
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:06,740
science really it's not a repeatable

1209
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:09,119
it's something

1210
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:12,180
um and many times before 2017 when I

1211
00:52:17,089 --> 00:52:14,000
used to talk to people in science about

1212
00:52:21,230 --> 00:52:17,099
why aren't you studying UFOs why aren't

1213
00:52:24,349 --> 00:52:21,240
UFOs in the mainstream in any way and

1214
00:52:26,690 --> 00:52:24,359
it's all about uh funding and it's all

1215
00:52:29,809 --> 00:52:26,700
about a goal there's no end goal when it

1216
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:29,819
comes to UFOs really you know you're not

1217
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:32,400
going to solve something easily

1218
00:52:42,290 --> 00:52:38,930
that's that's true most of the UFO

1219
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:42,300
evidence that we see is anecdotal it's

1220
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:44,400
one person seeing something

1221
00:52:48,650 --> 00:52:47,280
without any any physical proof or

1222
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:48,660
evidence of it

1223
00:52:52,730 --> 00:52:50,160
and

1224
00:52:54,770 --> 00:52:52,740
you know we we have to believe what this

1225
00:52:58,490 --> 00:52:54,780
people this person is telling us based

1226
00:53:02,510 --> 00:52:58,500
on is this a reliable person is the

1227
00:53:03,290 --> 00:53:02,520
observation explainable any other way

1228
00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:03,300
um

1229
00:53:08,329 --> 00:53:06,540
Carlo I I just realized we are we're

1230
00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:08,339
already at the end of the show so I made

1231
00:53:12,530 --> 00:53:10,200
a real short show for you but thank you

1232
00:53:13,790 --> 00:53:12,540
so much that's all right uh that's all

1233
00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:13,800
right it was a real pleasure and let me

1234
00:53:16,970 --> 00:53:14,940
know when your book comes out I'll have

1235
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,980
you back all right so that's great all

1236
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:18,720
right you take care bud take care all

1237
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:21,119
right thank you bye next week we have

1238
00:53:28,130 --> 00:53:25,680
Brandon fugel and then we have Graham uh

1239
00:53:30,589 --> 00:53:28,140
Rendell coming on it's a two-hour show

1240
00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:30,599
next week starting early at six o'clock

1241
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:33,240
Eastern so we'll see you next week and

1242
00:53:36,070 --> 00:53:34,800
thank you everyone remember to keep your

1243
00:53:47,110 --> 00:53:36,080
eyes to the sky